Nourishment, Health and Presence Interview with Marc David and Gudni Gunnarson

Marc David, Founder of the Institute for the Psychology of Eating interviews Gudni Gunnarsson, a lifelong practitioner of yoga and physical fitness trainer. Gudni set out to develop a revolutionary fitness system for mind, body and soul which became GloMotion.

In this compelling interview, they discuss how self-love, acceptance, and forgiveness affects our health and overall well-being. This interview will introduce you to a new way of thinking about addiction, disease and healing.

Transcript:

Marc: Welcome, everybody. I’m Marc David, founder of the Institute for the Psychology of Eating. Here we are in the Future of Healing Online Conference. I’m here with one of my best friends in the universe, and wonderful thought leader and colleague, Gudni Gunnarsson. Welcome, Gudni.

Gudni: Thank you, Marc. Good to see you. Thank you for the generous introduction.

Marc: Yes. It’s not finished yet, because I want to say a few words to get viewers and   listeners caught up about you. Gudni Gunnarsson is the creator of GloMotion. As a physical fitness trainer, Gudni realized the limitation of physical exercises without a personal or mental component. A lifelong practitioner of yoga, Gudni set out to develop  a revolutionary fitness system for mind, body and soul which became GloMotion.

As Gudni witnessed the miraculous transformation, of not just the body but the lives of his clients, he realized he had something profound to share with people. So his   mission is to help others discover their inner glow and energy. Not a small feat, but   one that he is joyous and passionately committed to, for over well more than 20 years.

Gudni has worked with an international clientele and uncovering deeper levels of well­being, personal achievement and prosperity. He resides in Reykjavik, Iceland with his wife Gudlaug and speaks around the world. Gudni is also the author of the   Icelandic bestseller, Presence is Power, and Glow: How to Resonate Prosperity.

Good to see you, my friend. Glad you’re here. Glad we’re doing this.

Gudni: Likewise. It feels great to be doing this with you, Marc.

Marc: Yeah. We’re in the Future of Healing Conference, and I’m realizing it might be a good idea to land at ground zero and talk about what health really is and what healing really is.

But before we dive into that, because that’s a big one, I’m wondering if you can just   say a few words about how you got into the work that you do really, sort of like a mind, body, spirit, fitness trainer that does transformational work. How did that happen for you?

Gudni: Obviously, gradually step­by­step, but I would contend that most of us get into the business because we need to heal our own wounds in some way. My background, my youth was turbulent and my parents were addicted to alcohol. Well, they were addicted to absence, but they used alcohol to sustain that absence.

So at a very young age I was frightened. I was frightened about becoming the way   they were. One of my early awakenings was at the age of 18 I realized that I was   afraid to be or become like they were. I realized that I didn’t have to be afraid of becoming like them, because I was just exactly like them. However, my revelation was that I didn’t have to behave the same way. So at that moment I retrieved my energy from being a victim of circumstances to being the creator of my own destiny. Meaning that I could define my own future.

Gradually in the process of that I started doing yoga, physical fitness workouts, breathing exercises and also looking at my diet. What happened was that in the  process of my own development I started looking at my surroundings and working with other people, and I realized that most people are coming from wellness or fitness from  a base of fear. When you come from something from a base of fear, what you’re going to do is exaggerate that fear. Everything you devote your awareness to is going to   grow and expand.

I wanted to find ways of defining the intention from a different point of view. Not to operate from lack and scarcity, but to operate from prosperity and love. So I started actually educating myself, and running into meeting people like you, going to Kripalu and seeking education and light wherever I could find it. From that I decided to bring that knowledge to a base of my own, a system as you referred to earlier called GloMotion.

Marc: Was there a place in your journey where it was an aha for you, or was it a gradual experience?

Gudni: Many times, many, many ahas. Still to this day there are ahas. They’re based on sometimes a deeper understanding of something I already knew, but somehow wasn’t living. I’m a seasoned life coach and I work with people more or less all day long, and the only disease that I have come across is the disease that occurs if you don’t want yourself.

In essence, all of the pain and the suffering I’ve seen with my clients is when they are in a place where they don’t want the lives they’ve created, or the physical health they’ve created, or the financial state they’ve created. So the resistance and the defiance, to you personally or me personally, is what crosses the separation of a disease. When we love ourselves, we’re at ease. So the language is clear, right, and we can talk and speak the language. But are we practicing what we preach?

I forget myself, like everybody else does. My logic is that because I’m quite present I feel the difference between being and not being, so I’m quick to recover myself. But the aha moments, they continue, and I trust they will continue until I leave this body.

Marc: Yeah. Aha moments, that’s a whole other topic. They’re such medicine. Let’s go to the big question. When you think of health, how are you defining it or describing it in your mind to yourself?

Gudni: To me health means to be whole, to be in balance, to be at ease, to prosper and to thrive. Not to operate out of scarcity or a diminished expression. So for me health is really about radiating love. In my dialogue I call it having your glow on. Really radiating the essence of what we would call the life force, being a vibrant participant and a co­creator and a provider of the fruit of your existence. Basically what we are is energy transformers.

When I am providing the fruit of my existence I’m sharing my love, I’m sharing my attention, I’m sharing my being and I’m fulfilling my purpose. If there is a purpose for   all of us, the purpose is to be loved, and to generate and share that love with as much generosity as possible.

So for me health is about that vibrancy. About being passionate about what you do and who you are and how you interact with the world. Anything else for me would be holding back or not being generous.

Marc: It seems that usually when people get into the conversation of health, we get into the conversation of numbers maybe. What’s your blood pressure? What’s your cholesterol level? Oh, they’re good. I’m healthy. Or we might have certain fitness parameters that say I’m healthy. There’s a lot of people who have the right numbers and they’re not necessarily healthy.

Gudni: No. It’s interesting. Let me interject something here because it has so much to do with the way I conduct my language. That is there’s only one disease, and that is a constrained heart. There’s only one reason, which is abandonment. By the way, abandonment is rejection. There’s only one remedy, and that’s love.

So if there is such a thing as being completely whole, it’s about being completely present. Therefore, loving in the same essence, loving yourself and loving everything else at the same time. My contention is that love is awareness. Love also means allowing yourself and everyone else to be the way they are right now. In essence, when you withdraw judgment and inject love then everything transforms and illuminates into the process of gratitude. So for me health is truly about opening my heart, and allowing myself to receive the prosperity and the love that the universe is providing all the time.

Marc: It’s fascinating. Here we are in a conversation about health, and we’re almost talking, I want to say, in non­scientific terms. An open heart probably can’t be measured in traditional ways, and yet most of us know when we have that or we’ve had it, man   does it feel good. Wow do I change, and my metabolism changes at those times.

When my heart is closed, wow can I feel it and it doesn’t feel good. Yet no amount of eating the right food will necessarily make my heart more open.

Gudni: No, it won’t. However, nourishing your heart with intention and love will. You can use, obviously as we know, foods to do that. Here’s another one, and obviously this is––it’s interesting because the dialogue we had about heart. The saying is your heart will  never attack you   unless you betray it. So what does that mean? Does it mean that   you feed it a hamburger every now and then? Or does it mean that you reject yourself  or abstain from allowing your heart ample space to beat? It’s like, how do we open the rib cage? How do we give the lungs and the heart ample space to beat and service the rest of the body?

We know, you and I know, that every pulsation that the heart participates in is a signal to the rest of the body, to the rest of the cells and to the rest of the universe. So the heart is the emperor and health is about radiating that health, that information about how you actually attend to yourself. So all I’m saying is that my contention is being healthy is being loved.

Marc: I’m thinking back to a book that I read by the late great Paul Pearsall. He wrote a book called The Heart’s Code. He talked about how patients with heart transplants, and this  is all documented, will often take on the personality and memories of the person where the heart came from. Even though the new recipient didn’t have that lifestyle, they’ll  start to crave the same foods and literally have memories of that person’s life. It seems like there’s a lot more to the heart than we realize.

Gudni: But we’re starting. There’s actually an institute called HeartMath.

Marc: HeartMath, yeah.

Gudni: Yes. We’re starting. I’ve been using illustrations and diagrams from them for quite  some time in my workshops. But we’re starting to realize that the energy that the heart is emitting is basically the radio of your own existence. It’s like how we transmit our self­worthiness, how we transmit our self­image to a degree, or perspective towards ourselves, is then broadcast through the amplified currency of the heart.

But I read the same book and I love that book. I will always remember the beginning story of the girl that adopted a heart from someone else. It’s not a pretty story because that girl had been assaulted, but the recipient of the heart could actually describe the assailant, and that’s how he was caught.

Marc: It’s crazy, huh?

Gudni: It’s crazy. Obviously we have to have an open mind, but there’s no open mind if the heart’s not open.

Marc: To me this leads us to, or naturally leads us to, once we define health a little bit better there’s this thing that we call healing. So many of us are looking for healing, whether we have a disease, whether we have an unwanted habit, whether we have a nagging symptom, the world seems to revolve around my health and my efforts to heal from whatever ails me. How do you see healing? How do you define healing?

Gudni: Do you want the simple term of the expanded term?

Marc: Sure, both.

Gudni: To me healing is extremely simple. The process, the beginning of healing is this. You forgive yourself unequivocally. The moment you forgive yourself you take responsibility for your journey and your express and your energy. It has nothing to do with shame or blame. It has nothing to do with anything except letting go of regret and remorse. The moment that happens you have no need to punish, scold or abuse yourself.

The general terms for our own existence is based on our own process, what we would call the blueprint of behavior. Subconsciously we have an account, and that account is what I would call the shame or the love account. If you hold yourself in contempt for whatever it is, if you have any reason to punish and scold yourself, which most of us seem to have because we’re raised in such a fashion, then most of our energy is devoted to self­pity or to some form of rejection, abandonment.

The moment we forgive ourselves we become response­able. Able to respond. The moment we become response­able we retrieve our self­respect. That retrieval is the energy, the source of energy, that everything revolves around. It’s your chi. It’s your life force. It’s the love that you actually have, the energy, the awareness you have to invest in whatever creation you deem necessary or you want or desire.

So the moment you forgive yourself––and you can’t forgive other people, you can only forgive yourself––you can forgive yourself, however. When you do you take back your energy, your source, your self­respect. That self­respect becomes the framework for  our self­image. The self­image is we, how we perceive ourselves, our perspective towards ourselves and how worthy we feel.

If there’s such a thing as a disease, it’s not feeling worthy. On some level it’s not  feeling worthy of love, not feeling worthy of health or prosperity or the world we live in. It’s deemed by ourselves. We judge ourselves.

Marc: It feels like this piece where we’re not forgiving ourselves, we don’t accept ourselves,  or we––it seems so much of that, these days, revolves around a rejection of the body. There are so many people who are attacking the body, even with good exercise, even with good food, even with dieting. It seems like in the fitness universe and the nutrition universe and the health universe, it’s less about I want to have this healthy, vibrant body because I love health and vibrancy. It feels more like this is not okay. This is not good enough. I don’t accept this. This is bad. Let me change it.

Gudni: You asked me about fitness and my own healing process. The reason that I am  actually doing the work I do now is I realized 40 years ago that people were coming to all these things, changing their potential diets or their fitness routines, because they wanted to force themselves to be different. So they’re actually applying violence  instead of love.

My contention has always been you can’t change your body with violence or intensity, but you can change with love and compassion and kindness. Here’s something that I can tell you, which is the simplicity of transformation. No amount of violence will  change anything, but a small dose of intention will change everything. The moment  you define what you want and feel worthy of obtaining, that’s going to change.

For instance, when I work with my clients I ask them to define what their body image is and most of them can’t. So they’ve never thought about what their body image looks like. They haven’t looked at the frame. They don’t even know where their image is hanging and what the image is projecting. So I have them define what that image is.

The moment that happens, they start to change according to their image because that’s what they’re projecting. Compassion and kindness is the elixir of that progression, but violence and intensity and fear is what keeps us from obtaining it.

Marc: It seems to me that we keep getting offered, from the books or the experts or the culture, or whatever is popular that’s out there, it seems like many of the methods to get to where you want to go, they have a little bit of violence in them, if not a lot.

They’re sort of tinged with you’re not good enough, but if you do something really extreme, and you do something that you’re not going to like, that’s somehow going to get you to like. You’re going to like yourself after you do this thing that you don’t like. Or maybe even you’re going to love yourself if you hate yourself enough.

Gudni: Yes. It’s the old adage, no pain no gain. But it’s also the American way of marketing. Create the need and then fulfill it. So most marketers are going to say that you’re the problem and they have the solution. But you’re the solution. You’re not the problem. But if you bite into, or buy into the fact that somebody else has the solution for you, you’ve victimized yourself and abandoned yourself.

So the whole process––for instance, my dialogue is called presence is power. The moment you’re present you’ve retrieved your power, and from there you can sustain an ability of creation. You become a defined conscious creator. If you’re not there,

you’re just an accidental calamity in essence because you’re refusing to become responsible for your energy. When I say responsible, there’s no blame, there’s no attachment. It only means the ability to respond, versus being reactive, impulsive, compulsive.

At some point we have to awaken to that, that we are co­creators of this universe. But we’re prime creators of our existence and our own expression. The moment we  change our perspective towards ourselves, everything changes.

Marc: I’ve noticed that when it comes to this word called responsibility, particularly as it   relates to health, those are two hard words for a lot of people to really put together in a healthy way. What I mean is it seems like we’re taught that your health is in the hands  of that person, that expert, this doctor. They know a heck of a lot more than we do, especially if you’re in a dire circumstance. I can’t operate on my own body. I can’t do surgery on my own self.

So there’s a place where we’re taught, wow, you have to totally give it up and   surrender into the hands of another when it comes to health and healing. Yet I think it’s that belief that holds a lot of people back. We’re almost afraid to be responsible for my health.

Gudni: I understand the dilemma. We all come from the same cloth in one way or another.

The point is, and there’s a limit to what you’re supposed to say about responsibility. It’s like there’s a medical profession out there that is superior to what we know about our own bodies. I’m not against traditional medicine by any means, and I think all of this dialogue should belong in the same space. But we have to become responsible for the way we operate our lives and our being, just like we must be responsible for the companies we run.

For instance, if your company is in the red and you’re about to go bankrupt, the  question is who’s responsible for how the company was run. What kind of a vision was that company servicing? What’s the intent? How do you define what the company’s process is about? If the business is being run poorly, you may call an accountant or some expert to teach you how to run the company, but initially if you’ve been running the company we know that you’re responsible for how the company was operating.

Why is that different with the body? What’s the difference between running a body as a company, as a one carbon unit that emits light and needs to have purpose and needs   to bear fruit to be able to be productive and healthy in essence? Is there a difference?

Marc: I think there’s a certain level of trust that we need to feel responsible for the body, because there’s things that happen to my body I don’t know what’s going on. I don’t know how to heal this. I don’t know how to fix this. I need help. But I have a certain amount of trust that I can find that, that I’ll see a way through, that it will become apparent to me at some point.

If I ask the right questions, and if I really look and listen, then I’ll be able to find the   right path for me to take to help myself. Which is different than people becoming afraid that they don’t have the knowledge, so just going to anyone that says I have this knowledge. If we’re looking for that knowledge out of fear, like, oh my god, if I don’t   find this I’m screwed, we tend to make poor choices I think from that place.

Gudni: Right. The poor choices are interesting because a choice is a consequence. I understand that and I completely agree with you, but all of this is about trust. Trust means to have faith. In order to have trust and faith, you have to trust yourself and you have to have faith in you. So your faith can never be extended outside of you. It   doesn’t happen that way. Just like you can’t give what you don’t have. If you don’t love yourself you can’t love another, although you may pretend.

So in essence we can only receive according to what we feel worthy of. What I’m talking about is operating from the general terms of integrity and honesty, where you realize that you are an energy source, you are the creator, you are an awareness which is your primary asset.

How you invest or devote that awareness is going to have consequences in your life. But if you’re not responsible for it, if you don’t want to be responsible for how you  invest or devote that energy, then what you’ve done is you’ve abandoned yourself. So responsibility is step number two.

Step number three then becomes defining what you’re going to do with your energy. What purpose you’re going to sustain, because your purpose is your journey. It’s the reason why you’re here.

Step number four is commitment. Committing to yourself. Are we committed to ourselves? If we were we wouldn’t be abandoning and rejecting ourselves. The moment one commits to one’s self the universe takes us seriously and starts really supplying the energy for us to sustain our intentions.

So the point that I’m making is if there is such a disease it would be what we call a separation from the moment, from the now, from the primal source, however you  define that. When I’m talking about faith I’m obviously not talking about religion. I’m talking about true faith, the faith of your own heart, the knowledge that you are there  for yourself, because we’re talking about fear and insecurity. What do we have to fear  if not ourselves?

Marc: I think the big fear is death. It’s disease. Those might be the big ones. Lesser is I’m not going to be okay. I’m not going to have enough. I’m not going to be loved. So let me change my body.

Gudni: Right. But both of us agree that if you trust yourself, that fear is eliminated. So in essence, what does it take for us to sustain that kind of trust, that kind of faith? My contention is that you have to keep your word. For instance, the word discipline, most of us think that discipline means some form of  hardship. But the word discipline  means to tell the truth, to be a disciple of your word. That’s all it really means.

So if we keep our word, if we love ourselves, if we behave ourselves towards ourselves with the compassion and kindness, all of a sudden we’ve cultivated a different relationship which stipulates trust and compassion and kindness. I can promise you that in that state your fear is diminished, completely diminished. Fear is the ultimate disease. The only thing we have to fear is the illusion of fear.

Again, this comes back to us. We’re the generators of the faith we hold or we’re the generators of the fear we hold. So both of these aspects are perspectives. Do we believe that the world is a friendly place or do we believe that it’s an unfriendly place? Just that perspective is going to rule your health.

Marc: It’s fascinating because just on basic observation the world seems to be everything. Whatever you can imagine it to be. There are horrors being committed in the world as we speak. There is amazing, loving acts being committed as we speak. It all seems to be true, or not true, in any given moment.

Gudni: Yes. The world is an incredible place. The perception of horror, and by saying this I’m not by any means sanctifying anything that’s being done that’s violent, the process is again because we’re talking about perspectives, do we believe that there’s only one  life or do we believe that it’s an existing process, that we don’t actually die. What we  do is we regenerate our being, our spirit, our source, in another body.

So in order to make sense of the world, I don’t’ think we can look at what’s happening just now. I think we have to look at it as a whole. Just like the cells in our body. Are they subjected to horrors as they die off? These are perspectives.

When you were talking about the horrors I was thinking about the news that I was listening to about what’s going on in the Middle East. Immediately my heart, I could    feel an extra beat. So the only thing that I can do to all of that is to open my heart and emit an energy of support to whatever is going on in the world because we as a   culture, no matter what faith we hold, we’re co­collaborating the state of the universe, the planet. If we want things to change we must be the change. We must love  ourselves. At the same time that happens, immediately we have love for others and for the planet and for the suffering that’s going on.

Marc: I want to return for a moment to this piece about connecting this back to the body, because I think it’s true that there’s a fundamental place where we probably know in ourselves that we’re the change, but somehow that signal gets distorted a little bit. I’m the change and I can be the change that I want to see in the world gets distorted to  I’ve got to change myself in the following way so I’ll be loved and accepted. Or you have to change in the following way so I could love myself or I can love you. Love seems to be a very conditional act when it comes to one’s own body, or even the bodies of others. I’m wondering for you what love has to do with it here.

Gudni: You can make anything conditional, but what comes first, the egg or the hen? If we  look at it potentially as if I want change in my life, am I going to withhold love in my life until I make the changes or am I going to love myself and change? So when I talked about healing, the most powerful remedy I’ve ever been acquainted to is love. The precursor of love for me is forgiveness, personal forgiveness.

It always comes back to––for instance, with my clients the only way I can help them heal is for them to retrieve their energy. If you’re out of energy, if you’ve expanded

your energy through rejection, through abandonment, through whatever, then if you want to heal you have to retrieve that energy, your source, your light, your prana, your life force, your love. The moment you forgive yourself, that energy is back in your presence. That becomes the source of your healing. Without that energy it’s like an empty battery.

So the most important aspect of that healing, based on what we’ve said about the  body, do we have to fix the body to love ourselves, do we have to love ourselves to fix the body, to me it’s so apparent and I’ve seen it happen so many times. The moment people are willing to forgive themselves. People tell me they don’t know how to. I’ll tell them that’s not true. They don’t want to because they’re addicted to the pain or the consequences of their behavior.

An addiction is an interesting process. There’s only one addiction according to me,    and that is absence. To be absent. You can use anything to sustain that absence. The mind is such a strange anomaly. The point that I’m making is that we’ve become subjected to our patterns of behavior. We call them habits. But they can also be turned into rituals, conscious rituals that reinitiate and then repractice until they become who we are or the expression of who we are.

But the beginning is not the awakening. The beginning in essence is––awakening awareness is the key to transformation. But if you’re not willing to take responsibility   for that energy, the light that you are and the light you emit, then you can’t sustain that awakening.

When I say presence is power, then my contention is that you have become present, responsible and therefore empowered. The moment that happens your healing starts and it’s a profound change and it’s immediate. You see it. The energy is back. The light is back. The vibration is back. The vibrancy is back.

Yes, people may lose it again but you can see it like a light bulb being turned on. It’s the energy of the universe, what we call chi. It’s like I say to people, awareness isn’t the bulb or the ceiling. It’s just the light. Everybody agrees. I say but what happens when you take the energy away from the light, when you take the electricity away, when you take the life force, when you take the enthusiasm.

To me, all of the clients that I’ve worked with, whether it’s been financial, physical, emotional or mental, the moment they forgive themselves then their lights turn back on. In that light anything is possible. Anything.

Marc: It’s interesting. When I think about forgiving one’s self, I think sometimes people have    it in their minds why they’re so bad that they deserve judgment. Why they’re so bad   that they don’t deserve forgiveness. Oftentimes it seems like humans walk around with this vague sense of I can’t forgive myself, but there’s not necessarily a crime that’s obvious to what it is I’ve done wrong. I’m just wondering if you can comment on that.

Gudni: I would love to because forgiveness is such a misunderstood concept. You can’t   forgive your past because it doesn’t exist. You can’t forgive your future because that doesn’t exist either. But you can forgive yourself in the now, and that’s all forgiveness means. Forgiveness just means letting go of rejection and inducing love. It means becoming present. It means retrieving your energy, letting go of remorse and rejection in essence. It means basically becoming present and responsible. That’s all it means.  In that moment of responsibility you can choose to direct the energy, the life force, in a completely different pathway.

Here’s an example. Parachute trainees, they’re told when you jump out of the plane fix the spot where you’re going to land. Don’t think about the wires. Don’t think about the mud or the puddles. But because they’re so afraid, they’re so preoccupied with what they’re doing, they’re going to react impulsively and all they’re going to think about is what they don’t want, which is the wires and the puddles, instead of what they do    want.

Being present allows you to make those distinctions and focus your energy to what    you want. It’s the same knowledge. It goes this way. I say to my clients, everything that you devote your awareness to grows and expands. They say yes. Then I say, but you also must contend to the fact that if you’re thinking about what you don’t want you    want it. Then all of a sudden they become very serious and everything is very bleak. I said, just acknowledge that to begin with because there’s a consequence to how you devote your energy.

The aspect of forgiveness, which is so beautiful, it only means that in that moment you say I’m going to love myself is to reject myself. I’m going to let go of the rejection and open my heart. In that space everything transforms. Yes it’s a practice and you have to

do it. Remember the old prayer Ho’oponopono, I love you, I’m sorry, please forgive me, thank you. It works. It calls you back. It calls your spirit back, and once your spirit is back everything is possible.

So forgiveness is a very misunderstood concept. Obviously it’s been used by our parents. It’s been used by religion. You know. You were able to go to church and have your forgiveness or being absolved. What I’m saying is that you really can’t forgive somebody else. You can’t really––what’s the word I’m looking for––you can’t relieve someone else, can you? You have to go to the bathroom yourself. You yourself have   to let go of the rejection and the abandonment and the shaming and the scolding.

I know we haven’t talked a great deal about the seven steps, but my contention is that everything is based on your permission, your allowance for love, your prosperity.

Because I know people that have been able to attract a lot of energy and a lot of love into their lives, but they can’t sustain it and they can’t receive it because they don’t feel worthy of it. So health and vibrancy is about being worthy, about feeling good about yourself, about allowing your heart and trusting your heart.

Again, we get back to the fear. People that win large lottery tickets, what they do is attract a lot of money and they can’t handle it. They can’t receive it. So most of them burn up that money very quickly. I think it’s about 97 percent of the people that are recipients of large lottery tickets, they leave a hole larger then they had before. We’re always talking about our ability to receive love, aren’t we? So then if that’s true, then disease is based on our ability or disability to receive love, or ease for that matter.

Marc: I’m glad it all boils down to love. I think that’s probably a great place to put the exclamation point right now. I know we’re scratching the surface here. I want to think   of this conversation as a beginning, as opposed to a complete hole that has a clear ending. I would just love for you to share with viewers and listeners how they can stay in touch with you, your world. How could they learn more about what you’re up to and what you do?

Gudni: Thank you, Marc. My website are presenceispower.com, also glomotion.com, no W. I have a book coming out in April, April 7th. It’s actually available already on Amazon,  but it doesn’t matter because the conference is ahead of time, right?

Marc: Right. This is coming out in June, so your book is out. Let’s just say it’s out.

Gudni: The book is out, and a bestseller already. But in the book there is the dialogue that we are in right now. There’s a seven­step progression that is very powerful in the framework for the work I do as a life coach. But in the meantime––and if people don’t want to buy the book they can go to either website and retrieve a lot of the information about the seven steps. If they go to my websites they can also download a document called Vision Work that will get them acquainted with this dialogue and be very, very helpful. So there are various ways of staying in touch with me, but mostly, the best   way is GloMotion. Obviously Facebook, all the social media. But Presence is Power would probably be the clearest way.

Marc: Great, my friend. Thank you so much. Thanks for sharing your experience and your wisdom in such a beautiful way, in such a present and powerful way. I really appreciate it. I appreciate you.

Gudni: Marc, you draw it out in me. Thank you, my friend. I look forward to the next one.

Marc: Same here. Thanks, everybody, for tuning in. I’m Marc David on behalf of the Future of Healing Online Conference. I’ve been with Gudni Gunnarsson, presenceispower.com, glomotion.com. Lots more to come, my friends. Take care.